It's only partly a question of revenue . . . the other side of the equation is distribution of the dollars available to spend. I'd rather see them spent on programs that actually benefit taxpayers than on bloated defence contracts, military adventures of dubious necessity, and tax cuts for the few among us who should in fact be paying more ....
Vote Angus Ontario 2008
Vote Angus Ontario 2008
Why yes Pat I have. I wrote my local congressman and told him I wanted to pay more for; college tuition, my state run medical coverage, cigarettes, gasoline, park entrance fees, license tabs, parking tickets, and of course, higher fines when I get busted with a dime bag that I had to scrape out of the shag carpet in the low lit, dingy apartment I call home.
Pat,
I think you're mistaken. It's Bush who's so kind with everybody else's money. He's on a record setting pace for spending increases, deficit increases and is even taking hits from long-time conservative Republicans such as the Heritage Foundation for his fiscal mismanagement.
Since it's such a pain in the ass to copy the URL, I'll bump a previous post that addresses his big government spending increases.
I think you're mistaken. It's Bush who's so kind with everybody else's money. He's on a record setting pace for spending increases, deficit increases and is even taking hits from long-time conservative Republicans such as the Heritage Foundation for his fiscal mismanagement.
Since it's such a pain in the ass to copy the URL, I'll bump a previous post that addresses his big government spending increases.
posted by Angus Ontario:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I'd rather see them spent on programs that actually benefit taxpayers than on bloated defence contracts, military adventures of dubious necessity, and tax cuts for the few among us who should in fact be paying more ....
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
More than the trillion a year and change that we spend on such things already? Mind you; I'm all for all but scrapping the military entirely, so it's not like I'm pounding the war drum here.
I wholeheartedly agree that loopholes that exist solely for those "in the know" (they are not just for the rich btw) shouldn't exist; that is one of my biggest complaints about the system of taxation we have in place. But we will never, ever have a fair system of taxation as long as the state continues to joust the windmills of Byzantine social programs that simply do not work, regardless of how noble their intentions might be.
Phaedrus
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I'd rather see them spent on programs that actually benefit taxpayers than on bloated defence contracts, military adventures of dubious necessity, and tax cuts for the few among us who should in fact be paying more ....
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
More than the trillion a year and change that we spend on such things already? Mind you; I'm all for all but scrapping the military entirely, so it's not like I'm pounding the war drum here.
I wholeheartedly agree that loopholes that exist solely for those "in the know" (they are not just for the rich btw) shouldn't exist; that is one of my biggest complaints about the system of taxation we have in place. But we will never, ever have a fair system of taxation as long as the state continues to joust the windmills of Byzantine social programs that simply do not work, regardless of how noble their intentions might be.
Phaedrus
This supposed liberal would reform the tax law to allowing private citizens and business who pay for employees health insurance to write off on their taxs 75-100% of what they pay for medical insurance. Another would be to abolish the income tax and just have a national flat sales tax. That way the rich would pay more if they spent their money but their percentage would be the same. Fair.
I still don't get it.....The Libs want to increase taxes, yet give tax credits to people who don't pay taxes in the first place....WTF!
And second, they want to punish the people who have worked hard all their life to be rich.
Unbelievable!!!!! Punish the hard working and reward the lazy! That's a big reason why I am a Republican.
KMAN
And second, they want to punish the people who have worked hard all their life to be rich.
Unbelievable!!!!! Punish the hard working and reward the lazy! That's a big reason why I am a Republican.
KMAN
posted by KMAN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Sh!t Phaedrus, you don't think Homeland Defense is helping taxpayers.
I never mind, I forgot you're not an America.
Forget it.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
???
I'm all for defending the homeland; I would just prefer measures which actually defended it rather than those which empower the corrupt and useless politicians in our capital to fight an average of one foreign war per year for the last good while. America hasn't fought a defensive war in over a century, and isn't likely to anytime soon, because no one in his right mind would start one. Guy shows up at work with an Uzi and starts killing everything in sight, nobody stands up and says "Hey there fella; calm down now." You just duck and run and hope you aren't next. That's pretty much the state of foreign relations in the world today as I see it.
Phaedrus
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Sh!t Phaedrus, you don't think Homeland Defense is helping taxpayers.
I never mind, I forgot you're not an America.
Forget it.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
???
I'm all for defending the homeland; I would just prefer measures which actually defended it rather than those which empower the corrupt and useless politicians in our capital to fight an average of one foreign war per year for the last good while. America hasn't fought a defensive war in over a century, and isn't likely to anytime soon, because no one in his right mind would start one. Guy shows up at work with an Uzi and starts killing everything in sight, nobody stands up and says "Hey there fella; calm down now." You just duck and run and hope you aren't next. That's pretty much the state of foreign relations in the world today as I see it.
Phaedrus
If they taxed me more for a good reason I probably wouldn't put up a big fight. That is the truth because lets face it, the rate was 28%, now it is 27%. Do I feel rich? Hell no. If they took that 1% back I wouldn't even notice after the first check. And I am guessing most people wouldn't either. Americans are in two camps, good savers or bad savers. The good savers just budget a little more if their taxes rised MODESTLY and the bad savers would just have a few bucks less a check to blow.
I think the concept of tax increases and tax decreases are purely political moves. It is just an opportunity to rile people up. Fact is that a lot of the time the tax increases are just so hidden you don't even know about them until some politician goes to an attempt to make sure you know about them. If we had say a 5 cent increase in the gas tax, no one would even notice it. The price would go up just like any normal fluctuation. People wouldn't pay any attention to it until some politician went out of his way to tell the world how this latest tax increase hits the poorest people the worst, yadda yadda yadda. See what I mean? No I don't particularly want my taxes to go up, but I think I worry more about a government that is paying no attention to the problems it is creating for me 10-20 years from now when I will be in my prime earning years and could really get screwed by taxes and major economic uncertainty due to what the current group of politicians is doing to get into office and stay there.
I think the concept of tax increases and tax decreases are purely political moves. It is just an opportunity to rile people up. Fact is that a lot of the time the tax increases are just so hidden you don't even know about them until some politician goes to an attempt to make sure you know about them. If we had say a 5 cent increase in the gas tax, no one would even notice it. The price would go up just like any normal fluctuation. People wouldn't pay any attention to it until some politician went out of his way to tell the world how this latest tax increase hits the poorest people the worst, yadda yadda yadda. See what I mean? No I don't particularly want my taxes to go up, but I think I worry more about a government that is paying no attention to the problems it is creating for me 10-20 years from now when I will be in my prime earning years and could really get screwed by taxes and major economic uncertainty due to what the current group of politicians is doing to get into office and stay there.
sure I will pay more if means tha we can build more bombs and have more bumbling agencies that GW is watching over. After all GW is the King of spending. This nut GW will eventually have the draft renacted if he is in there for another 4 years.
But thats ok because that will be the best employer in the USA, since China and India will have most of our jobs
But thats ok because that will be the best employer in the USA, since China and India will have most of our jobs
